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Welcome to the Don't Go Unless podcast page! Before we dive in, it’s probably helpful to cover a few things that this show is NOT about. This is NOT about creating long lists of places you’ll never see. This is NOT a show that is going to tell you to get that perfect instagram shot. This is NOT a show designed to regurgitate the typical, vapid travel lists that we’ve all grown so weary of.

This is a show to challenge your assumptions, to ignite your imagination, and to inform your next trip, and every one after that, so each can be the trip of a lifetime. 

Dec 15, 2021

Many of us face burnout at some point in our careers, and that's especially true, unfortunately, in the lives of career public servants and aid workers. Today we'll speak with someone who took her observations of inefficient systems and used that as a foundation to build a travel business with a specific aim toward public benefit, and we'll dive a bit deeper than usual on travel personas and the wild diversity of experiences offered by the country of Botswana.

Jen Curran is the owner of Globe & Tribe Expeditions and Pith & Pearl Africa.  Before starting her travel companies, she traversed the globe for almost two decades as an epidemiologist and humanitarian aid worker.  After some serious burnout, she forayed into the travel world with a keen eye on connecting curious, well-intentioned and intrepid travellers (and their tourism dollars)  to some of the world's most beautiful and remote destinations.